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Brad Schlueter discussion with Carmine Appice.
Carmine Appice is a true drumming legend and one of the pioneers of modern drum education. Over the course of his career, he has influenced generations of drummers through his books, clinics, and live performances with some of the biggest names in rock, including Vanilla Fudge, Cactus, Jeff Beck, Ozzy Osbourne, and Rod Stewart.
During his seven years on the drum throne with Stewart, Carmine co-wrote the hit songs Da Ya Think I’m Sexy? and Young Turks, helping shape the sound of late-’70s and early-’80s rock. Behind the kit, he was among the first drummers to popularize massive multi-tom, double-bass setups—and he played a key role in pushing drum hardware to become stronger, more stable, and better suited to the demands of rock music.
An iconic hard-rock drummer with unmistakable power and showmanship, Carmine Appice became a legend after his very first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show with Vanilla Fudge nearly 60 years ago. That same band also played a key role in rock history by bringing Led Zeppelin to the United States for their first American tour, beginning his friendship with John Bonham, and opening the door for one of the most influential bands of all time.
Carmine was also the first drummer to take rock drumming clinics on the road nationally, he started what would become Guitar Center’s “Drum Off”, and he authored one of the most influential drum books of all time, Realistic Rock. That landmark book has just been updated with additional material and reissued by Hudson Music as Classic Realistic Rock, introducing a new generation of drummers to his seminal ideas.
Decades later, drummers are still playing Carmine’s vocabulary, often without realizing where it came from. Ever played RLFF, RLRLFF, or RLRLFFFF? You can thank Carmine for that.
Interview:
First things first, can we finally settle the great mystery of how to pronounce your last name? I’ve heard app-uh-see, a-piece, and a few other creative variations. What’s the correct pronunciation, and how did all the confusion start?
Well, it’s, it’s really funny, because up until 1976, when I joined Rod (Stewart), Rod said, “Well, there are so many different ways to say your name. Is it pronounced app-uh-see, a-piece, a-pea-chay, all these different things? What should we call you? We’re going to be playing in front of 20,000 people a night. When you do your solo, I wanna say Carmine… what?” Well, most people call me app-uh-see, but a-piece is probably the best way to go. But then Ludwig ran an ad in all the magazines: “Everyone wants a piece of a-piece (Appice).” Everything was going great until 1980, when my brother Vinnie came out with Sabbath as Vinnie app-uh-see, and it screws everything up! That’s why we did the Drum Wars videos, where we were battling for the name. So I’m a-piece, and he’s the opposite.
From the beginning of your career with Vanilla Fudge, you stood out as a powerhouse drummer. Your style seemed direct and focused even then, when a lot of other drummers were more improvisational, if you will. Did you spend a lot of time writing parts for the songs?
Yeah, well, actually, I didn’t write parts. I actually just played what I felt. I still have that problem today. Whenever I do a video, I have to write out what my fills were, you know? Because I didn’t know what I played. I just play whatever I play, you know? And that’s my problem. I never play the same!
Showmanship has always been a big part of your playing. Even on that first Ed Sullivan Show appearance with Vanilla Fudge, while playing “You Keep Me Hangin’ On,” you were very visual.
Before I joined Vanilla Fudge, they were called The Pigeons. I used to play like in an old R&B band. I didn’t even move my head, I didn’t twirl, I didn’t do that stuff. I was influenced by Dino Danelli and Gene Krupa on and I was trying be like Dino Danelli from the Rascals, you know, but on steroids with the twirling.
You know, if you grab a cymbal with your fingers, it still rings, you know that? Okay, so when you hit a cymbal and you grab it with your full arm, it goes, stop!
You did that one on Ed Sullivan. Is that why you came up with your unique stick grip, holding the stick between your first and second finger to accommodate your stick twirling?
You know, I noticed that when I do a twirl, I went forward, and that after I did the twirl, I would move the hand back to the proper position. Then I’m doing a twirl and I hit the cymbal. I said, “Oh, that’s cool.” So I started twirling and hitting cymbals, and I noticed it was easy to play like that. It just naturally happened. I never really planned it, you know? So there’s never any time where I just sit down and go, “I’m gonna create a new grip.” I feel more comfortable playing like that even now. I’ve been doing this all my life, you know?
A lot of drummers struggle with nerves and self-criticism on stage and in the studio. Did you ever struggle with that?
Not really…I tell you when I got anxiety was when we go down the elevator to do the Sullivan show for the first time. In those times we had elevator operators, and I said, “Hey, man, how many people watch this show?” He said, “Oh, about 50 million!”
How’d you cope with that.
Once I started playing, it was gone.
It was 50 million live, and now it’s probably, I don’t know, 100 million due to all the different videos and YouTube, that are out there. They keep playing it now and then on MeTV. I keep getting a royalty for like 75 bucks from it!
How much of your technique and your ideas came from structured practice versus playing on stage with bands?
When I was a kid, I used to listen to the Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich albums. I learned every note off those albums. I used to listen to Max Roach. I listened to Joe Morello. Those are my four idols, you know? So everything I did came from that. All I did was add the rock and roll power, because back then there were no amplifiers for drums. Everybody had big amps, so I got bigger drums so they’d be louder. But you know when you play big drums, you got to hit them harder. When I got the deal with Ludwig. They said, what would you want? I said, well bigger drums, bigger sound, louder. So, I ordered these 26” bass drums. I ordered a marching tenor drum for my middle tom, 16” and 18” floor toms then I had a 22” bass drum turned on its side, with the metal rim on it, was my big floor tom.
You originated the double bass drum shuffle groove on Cactus’ song “Parchman Farm” back in 1970, before Billy Cobham’s “Quadrant 4” and Simon Phillips’ “Space Boogie,” or Alex Van Halen’s “Hot for Teacher” versions of that groove. How’d you come up with that?
Well, I got the double bass in 1968, and I got the two giant (26”) bass drums and the oversized kit, which, when John Bonham opened up for us, he loved it. So I got him the same kit as mine, and in the new Classic Realistic Rock drum book, there’s a picture of me and John playing the same drum kit. I got John his endorsement with Ludwig, too.
Anyway, I was always playing that kind of stuff. I always play the hi-hat (with foot) on either the quarter notes, eighth notes, or the “ands,” you know? So I played the double bass shuffle like that. My left foot was on the beats, and my right foot on the upbeats.
So I did a song called “Need Love” with Vanilla Fudge in ’69 that had that kind of bass drum part, not that fast, but had that kind of bass drum part. Ten years later, when we did “Parchman Farm,” they wanted to do it faster than that. I think it’s 247 beats a minute. And then I said, “Wow. If you’re going to do it that fast, I’m going to play with the double bass.” So yeah, “Parchman Farm” was the first one in 1970.
Do you still practice?
I love to play. I have a studio in my house. I have to do that after we talk.
What I got now…my friend got me for Christmas. It’s a deck of rudiment cards. Alfred Music put it out, and you pick any card and it has a rudiment. So I practice them on the pad.
Do you play the same now as you did then?
I used to beat the hell out of them. If you look at the Ed Sullivan show of the Fudge playing “Shotgun”, I’m beating the living shit out of those drums. You know, but with the power and the speed I have. I was 24 years old.
Now I realize, you don’t have to do it like that with all the arms. I’ve gotten two rotator cup surgeries. You can do it like karate chops, you know, with just your wrist snapping.
So many drummers have been inspired by your drumming and your book Realistic Rock. Gregg Bissonette, Dave Weckl, Kenny Aronoff, Nick Menza, Chad Smith, Marco Minnemann, Ian Paice, and others all admire your work. Many of the patterns you played and wrote about in the book are still played today.
I’m noticing a lot of new drummers doing things, and I don’t know, indirectly, some of it might have come off what I did. A lot of the fills that are going on today, you know, when you’ve got two on the hands and two on the feet, four on the hands, two on the feet, it’s right out of Realistic Rock. I’ve been doing this for clinics since 1971. I used to call it “falling rocks.” And I’m watching all these new drummers do this. I saw a young kid, five years old, doing that. I said, “My God, where are they learning this stuff from?”
From you.
They do it with a different drum sound. The drum sound is not like mine. Mine is a big, powerful drum sound. When I do it, it sounds really powerful. When they do it, it’s very pointy, you know? There’s a lot more point to it. These kinds of fills that I introduced to rock a lot of years ago, some I got from Max Roach, actually. Basically, they’re doing a lot of my stuff. They probably don’t even know where it comes from.
Yeah, probably not.
It’s like when I played with Tommy Lee (Motley Crue) and he opened up for Ozzy (Osbourne). When I was with Ozzy, I saw him spin the stick and grab the cymbal with his arm. I said, “Wow, dude, where’d you get that?” He says, “I got it from John Bonham.” I said, “John Bonham?” “Yeah,” he said. And I told him the story. I said, “You know, John Bonham opened up for us with the Fudge, and he used to imitate me, and we’d laugh at each other, like, ‘Ha, ha, hey, watch this.’” And who knew he was going to become a monster?
So I said, “Dude, when you finish the tour, I’m going to take you to my house. I’ll show you a couple of videos.” I showed him the Ed Sullivan video with Vanilla Fudge. He goes, “Dude, when was this?” I said, “This is about two years before Led Zeppelin even came out.” He says, “Oh, dude!” Then I played another one where we did “Shotgun” on The Ed Sullivan Show. At the end of “Shotgun,” it’s pretty much the ending of “Rock and Roll.” It’s doing a lot of those different combinations and all that, and then it slows down. Then he says, “When did you do that?” I said, “That’s about four or five years before ‘Rock and Roll.’” So he was blown away, you know?
And the intro of “Rock and Roll” is borrowed from “Keep A-Knockin’” by Little Richard.
Without a doubt! As soon as he played that, I knew it, you know?
How did writing Realistic Rock come about?
I wrote it when I was with Cactus. We used to wreck hotel rooms, cars, and all that. So anyway, I said, “I’m going to write a book.” So I wrote a book. It took me 30 days of not wrecking hotels after the gig. I’d sit down and I’d write the book, and I wrote the book. I gave it to my attorney at the time, and he said, “The good thing is, you got a $500 advance, and you own the copyright.” And you know what? I didn’t even know what that meant.
That was a good attorney!
I mean, the book was selling, you know, 12,000 copies a year. It was crazy. And before you know it, I was making big money and selling a lot of books, and then that opened up the whole business of doing clinics.
And I did the first rock clinic ever that any rock musician ever did, Sam Ash, Long Island, with 800 people there. I did everything on clinic. I brought PA systems out. I did the tours. I gave UNICEF $50,000 off a bunch of clinics I did. I really explored the clinic thing with Ludwig.
Between refining drums and beefing up heavier hardware so it wouldn’t break…I did all that with Ludwig back in the day. We started a lot of fads, the power toms, the big drums, oversized bass drums and tom-toms, the thing you put on the left bass drum to hold the hi-hat, and the Speed King pedal. Yeah, we did so much. It was the 60s – ’70s, modernizing equipment. I had the whole clinic market to myself. There was no one else doing rock clinics.
John Bonham came to my clinic at Sam Ash, and he was drinking a bottle of beer. They still had the bottle there, for 40 years in the store. Well, they don’t anymore, since Sam Ash closed, but they had the bottle for 40 years.
Wow…I wonder where it is now?
Yeah. How many other drummers can say John Bonham went to their clinic?
Probably none! So how did the re-release of Realistic Rock come about?
Well, basically, the book had been doing great most of the time for Warner Brothers. Then we went to Alfred, and I got the biggest drum book deal ever. Every year they’d give me an advance. We did videos, and it was going great. But for the last couple of years, Alfred didn’t do that great, so then they got sold. I didn’t know where to go, so Modern Drummer offered me a deal for three years, and I went with them. They reprinted the book, and I didn’t know until lately that they reprinted it with a bunch of errors in it.
After that, I reached out to Rob Wallis at Hudson Music. I always loved Rob and loved what he’s done with Hudson. When he was doing DCI videos, I started a company called Power Rock videos. I did a video of myself, my brother (Vinnie Appice), Drum Wars (between Carmine and his brother), Tony Franklin’s video (fretless bassist), Rick Gratton. I had a full company going, but I was always in competition with Hudson. They did the first Steve Gadd video, I did my drum clinic video, and we were both selling thousands.
I always loved the way Rob advertised and took care of everything. I never worked with him, but I knew him for 40 years. So I took it to Rob. Then Joe Bergamini called and said, “You know, there’s a lot of errors in the book.” I said, “No, I didn’t know that,” because I don’t teach the book anymore. I don’t teach privately, so I never really go through the book. So they said, “Let’s reprint it all, fix everything, and update it.”
I had done another book with Hudson called Realistic Replacements, which is linear combinations between hand and foot. Like, you do a triplet, and we replace a hand with a foot, and did a whole book on that stuff. I said, “Why don’t we put some of that in the new version of Realistic Rock? If you’re going to update it, let’s have something new.”
So we did that. We went through all the errors, fixed everything, straightened out the downloads (eBook and audio), did new photos, then and now, pictures of me then and me now, pictures of me and John Bonham with the same drum sets. We updated the photography. He said, “Let’s just call it the Classic Realistic Rock,” because it is classic. We got all the guys to do endorsements on the back. Basically, we did the whole book. It’s got a full download, which the book never really had before. It’s a lot of fun. I sold over 400,000 copies with that book. It’s just like a gold record.
That’s incredible!
Yeah, somebody should give me a gold book!
www.carmineappice.net
Read Brad’s review of the re-release of Realistic Rock HERE

Brad Schlueter is a Chicago-based drummer, teacher and author. He has performed with a wide range of groups and recorded drum tracks from his home studio for clients worldwide. Brad has taught at The Drum Pad, The Music Room in Palatine, and his Batavia studio and also offers online lessons. As a writer, he has contributed to Drum! Magazine, Modern Drummer and Reverb.com, and he co-authored the award-nominated book by Todd Sucherman, “Methods and Mechanics”.
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